NorySS wrote:lol, some 'middle-men' are just bad at setting up races.

MiamiVR6T wrote:

Nelson never agreed to a pump gas race, Diego and I were right next to him when they spoke on the phone by the way.I had his dick in my mouth while Diego was sucking his nuts, it was kind of difficult to manouver, but we heard the converstaion.

And I'm not here to set up a race, I'm here just to suck on chancleta's nuts, or anything else he wants to put in my mouth.

Pump vs Pump is a lame excuse for not wanting to show that your 500+ cid is not making any power, Chancleta Knows that!. RUN WITH WHAT YOU GOT. IF YOU RUN ON PUMP, THATS ON YOU PERIOD I ALREADY TOLD YOU CHANCLETA CAN'T RUN ON PUMP GAS, HE KNOWS HE WILL GET KILLED. He does not want to risk SPENDING $XX,XXX motor to get EMBARRASSED on PUMP GAS.
he PREFERS TO SPEND 14.75 A GALLON ON on C-16, and hope people believe he is fast.
WHYS IS THAT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?

Ricer Killer wrote:Street cars run on 93, race cars run on C-16. Ricers run on E-85 because they can't make any power on 93, and it is cheap. It is a known fact that big cubes can make a ton of power on 93 octane. Who can afford ro run a street car on
15$/gal fuel?. Unless it is a dedicated race car,or it doesn't make any power on pump gas, it does not make any sense.

If those vipers want to run on pump gas, then let it be, and don't hate because your 4 banger can't.

Yellow Viper (aka BIG FOOT) doesn't want to run on pump gas because as MiamiVR6T posted , since making the switch to the Auto he lost a tone of power, probably makes less than 900 rwhp LOL.

Didn't he bragged about his 1100 rwhp on pump gas all over the net?, and how he only was tuned on pump gas, and only run in pump gas?

can u post pics of ur car...

I would think the whole point of building a big cube motor as Yellow Viper is to enjoy the advantage, and streetability of running 93 octane, which you can get on any corner any where. If not just build a supra or Evo and become a prisoner of
E-85., and constantly watch your fuel gauge, and carry x-tra jugs in your garage to amke sure you can make it to the gas station that carries E-85.

I'm building an LSX 454 for my C-5. Pump gas all day!

NorySS wrote:Unless your mixing your own E85 your more likely to get a bad batch of E85 than 93. I say this from first hand experience having gone to the same station for E85 and gotten E80 one week and E75 the next. Unless your using a ethanol content sensor you would have no way of knowing what you just pumped into your car. Granted your going to make more power on E85 than 93 no question on that. But when your talking from a "Danger" standpoint 93 is the safer bet in my opinion.

hence why Mike@AWD is blending his own fuel...dot dot..period period.

MiamiVR6T wrote:

NorySS wrote:lol, some 'middle-men' are just bad at setting up races.

What middle-men are you laughing at because MiamiSpd here is setting up his own races in his head. Nelson never agreed to a pump gas race, Diego and I were right next to him when they spoke on the phone by the way. And I'm not here to set up a race, I'm here to bring those that think they have something to come out and play.

Pump vs Pump is a lame excuse for not wanting to push the car further or just plain lazy for not wanting to tune on anything else. RUN WITH WHAT YOU GOT. IF YOU RUN ON PUMP, THATS ON YOU PERIOD. Nobody wants to risk a $XX,XXX motor when you can add $70 to run your car a lot safer and controlled.

NELSON PERFORMANCE wrote:Guys, this is Nelson, I’m the owner of the yellow Viper, and Owner/mechanic/driver of Nelson Performance.

I’ve been building this car for a long time, and I’ve been telling everybody how fast it was going to be, and how nobody will ever have anything for me .

I finished the build a few months ago, and the car got tuned on pump gas, it made over 1100 rwhp with the 6 spd. It was posted all over the forums and I carried with me a copy of the dyno sheet that I put on the car windshield at every hang out I took the car. I wanted to be Feared!
If you are new to the forums, and never heard of my car (nearly impossible) here is a link of the dyno video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsRvdRXivqI

However, I always wanted to be the fastest guy on the street/track whatever, and I wanted everybody to fear me. Fear me so much that nobody would actually want to race me. I know no matter how much I hyped my car, and no matter how much I talked, I was never going to be feared if I did not do something drastic.

So I decided to destroy the car, and its value and put a power glyde in it. A turbo viper with a glyde, would not be worth much, but nobody on the street would touch it (or so I thought), or want to race, which is exactly what I wanted. I just rather race customer’s cars. If they lose, they can back for more mods, and I make $. Plus I don’t get so depressed since it is not really my car.

After many months doing the auto conversion and pumping up my car on the streets, even more (YES I know I talk a lot, I can’t help it)the car was done.

The car lost a Lot of power with the Auto on the 93 tune. So much I really can’t say, but lets just say I would not feel confident to run a bolt on + N2O Z06 on my pump gas tune. It would be devastating for me to lose like that.

I really hate to lose!

On race gas the car made decent power. I can’t tell you how much, but is a bit less than before on pump gas. You do the math.
That is the reason I’ve told everybody I only run on race gas, and made up all kinds of excuses to justify my decision, but some how people just don’t believe me. It is driving me nuts, but I just can’t give in into a pump gas race. It is just not good for me.

I have to run on Race gas, hope my auto comes thru since I only have to make one shift under boost, and hope to be in front of you before 140mph so I can get in your lane (my signature move), and then tell you I let off at 200 mph.

As some of you know I took it to the track a couple weeks ago in search of a 7 sec. time slip. Did not run 7s, 8s, 9s or 10s. Actually the car never got out of the 11s, and the mph never went over 122. I felt bad, and tried to cover it up. No luck there. Everybody knows my car, and the word spread out fast!

I had to do something, so I made a sorry ass attempt to bring the hype back up, and set up a race with a 750 gixxer. I told people it was a 1000, but in reality I did not want to run a real 1000 much less on video, it could get ugly for me, as it was dead even with the 750 by 130 mph.

I’m having a lot of issues with my car now, I’m trying several tire set ups, suspension set ups, and it just does not hook. I want people to believe it is because it has too much power, but the truth is I just can’t figure this out.

The TQ converter is just another nightmare. The car redlines at 140 mph. Yep, that is my top speed. If I’m not in front by 140, and manage to get in your lane, I’m screwed!

Ok, now people, please stop trying to set me up with the red Evo. I have a business relationship with him, and we have agreed it is just not good for business. If I win (doubtful) I will start talking shit , and he will never sell me any parts. If I lose, then I will be very mad, talk more shit, give excuses, and I will never speak to him again. As you can see it is a no win situation for me. This Race will never Happen .. sorry.

As for the other TT viper, I just can’t run him on pump gas. He makes a lot more power than me on pump gas and on race gas. However, on race gas I’m hoping he can’t hook up, misses a gear, or I get some sort of advantage with my auto vs. him shifting. All I need to do is be in front by 130 mph or so, get on his lane, and claim I let off at 200 mph. Get a video, talk some shit, and claim glory..


Or I just may ask him to race for 5k (another one of my signature moves), and hope he does not call my bluff, and buy myself out of the race like that.

This technique was worked very well for me in the past. Umm. I just remembered one time it did not though. I tried to do the trick on Orlando’s Single Turbo Viper, and he showed up with the cash.
I had to run fast back to Miami. Good thing that Single Turbo Beast is 200+ miles away… That is one fast Viper I must admit. Plenty of videos of it on the net racing some real fast bikes!

So there you have it guys. No racing on pump gas, I will only race you on race gas, try to jump you and get on your lane before my 140 mph top speed, hit the brakes and call it a win!

And If I lose I will have excuses, and I will never speak to you again. Sorry, that is just how I am.

Oh, and don’t ask me to run any of the WPB guys on the bridge. Mike, Steve, etc. Those guys don’t play around and only run out of the hole. I know I have an auto and all, but they are out of my league.

I Hate Losing!

EVO BYD wrote:

Miamispd wrote:Nelson just called me and we have agreed to race pump v. pump (93 not E85). He knows that my AEM is out of the car and getting checked out at AEM. Once I get it back we will set it up. So there are no questions or doubts we will both go to a gas station and witness each other pump 93 in our cars. Video will be taken for all to see.

With all due respect to you Jorge, I dont see where you get credit for making X amount of power on 93 octane. Who cares? Honestly to me it shows you dont know how dangerous it is to push your car on 93. If the reason is cost of fuel for c16 and the inconvenience then go e85 but I just dont see any other reason. I cant imagine Frank Smith is the one advising you to keep the car on 93. Do you know how easy it is to get a bad blend of "93" octane. That shit will blow up instantly. I would feel alot more comfortable knowing exactly what octane I have in my tank specially with the $ it takes to build your Viper. Thats probably the biggest reason why Nelson wont run his car on 93. To each his own but its not safe. If you want cheap fuel run E85.

Miamispd wrote:

EVO BYD wrote:

Miamispd wrote:Nelson just called me and we have agreed to race pump v. pump (93 not E85). He knows that my AEM is out of the car and getting checked out at AEM. Once I get it back we will set it up. So there are no questions or doubts we will both go to a gas station and witness each other pump 93 in our cars. Video will be taken for all to see.

With all due respect to you Jorge, I dont see where you get credit for making X amount of power on 93 octane. Who cares? Honestly to me it shows you dont know how dangerous it is to push your car on 93. If the reason is cost of fuel for c16 and the inconvenience then go e85 but I just dont see any other reason. I cant imagine Frank Smith is the one advising you to keep the car on 93. Do you know how easy it is to get a bad blend of "93" octane. That shit will blow up instantly. I would feel alot more comfortable knowing exactly what octane I have in my tank specially with the $ it takes to build your Viper. Thats probably the biggest reason why Nelson wont run his car on 93. To each his own but its not safe. If you want cheap fuel run E85.

I disagree with you. Remember the cid of my motor and the low compression. Pump gas works great with my set up. Perhaps not with a smaller higher compression motor. Anyways, I did not build my car to get credit for making X amount of power on 93. It is a true street car that can be driven any distance and can gas up anywhere. It is not a race car that needs the extra octane found in E85 or race gas. It just happens to make decent power. I am not claiming or have I ever claimed that I have one of the quickest true street cars in Miami. The truth is that I have asked Nelson for a race ever since I had my other Viper (Blower w/ Nitrous) and he has never stepped up. Maybe now he will. Nothing personal with Nelson. Nelson boast that no one has shit for him. He has a quick car and I want to see how I stack up. The quicker car will win. Who is your money on? I know that there is loyalty to Nelson and that is cool.